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Lafter  | | 06. Jun 2024, 09:28 |
#5841
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|  Kopš: 23. Sep 2007
Ziņojumi: 28686
Braucu ar: wv
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06 Jun 2024, 09:19:24 @vdl rakstīja:
05 Jun 2024, 20:52:18 @Lafter rakstīja:
Swe ir ceļi kuri lādē braucošus smagos. Un??
5min googles un nedaudz fizikas/logjikas:
1) tas ir pilotprojekts
2) lai wireless charge buutu ar peec iespeejas mazaakiem zudumiem coilaam jaabuut peec iespeejas tuvaak - nee nu principaa var ar motoru nolaist coilu pie pasha asfalta bet tad jaanodroshina ka nesaskaraas. itkaa izdaraams bet kustiigs suuda savienojums kas noteikti nofeilos
3) kas notiek kad asfalta virskaarta ir jaamaina? vai coilas deelj taa tiek noraktas veel dziljaak un tiek padariitas veel neefektiivaakas
4) nav gluzhi solar-frickin-roadways bet diezgan tuvu
Es zinu un tādā sakarā ari pieminēju.
Arī smagie tādi ir projekti, testi utt. Ja ir pāris mašīnas nenozīmē, ka tas ir izplatīti un populāri. Ceļš, kā ceļš. Bieži braukāju pa viņu 
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| AigarsV | | 06. Jun 2024, 09:38 |
#5842
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| Kopš: 26. May 2003
Ziņojumi: 548
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06 Jun 2024, 08:17:30 @davisTK rakstīja:
Nu es nezinu kam jānotiek, lai es pārsēstos uz sabiedrisko transportu. Lielisks piemērs Rīga, man ar bērnu braucot ar riteni uz dārziņu un tad uz darbu ir aptuveni 50min, braucot ar auto 35-45min, bet braucot ar sabiedrisko ir 1h20m - 1h40m. Un tagad, lai kāds man politiķis ieskaidro ka man japārsēžas uz sabiedrisko. 
Es zinu, ka daudziem šādi, bet neizklausās pēc diezko prātīgas dzīvesvietas izvēles, kur tik daudz laika tiek pavadīts ceļā. | | Offline | | |
| martins_usars | | 06. Jun 2024, 09:48 |
#5843
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|  Kopš: 01. May 2023
Ziņojumi: 1452
Braucu ar: skatuve viens!
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06 Jun 2024, 09:38:53 @AigarsV rakstīja:
06 Jun 2024, 08:17:30 @davisTK rakstīja:
Nu es nezinu kam jānotiek, lai es pārsēstos uz sabiedrisko transportu. Lielisks piemērs Rīga, man ar bērnu braucot ar riteni uz dārziņu un tad uz darbu ir aptuveni 50min, braucot ar auto 35-45min, bet braucot ar sabiedrisko ir 1h20m - 1h40m. Un tagad, lai kāds man politiķis ieskaidro ka man japārsēžas uz sabiedrisko.
Es zinu, ka daudziem šādi, bet neizklausās pēc diezko prātīgas dzīvesvietas izvēles, kur tik daudz laika tiek pavadīts ceļā.
ja viss rīta aplis ir 35-45 minūtes ar auto, 50 minūtes ar riteni, bet stundai pāri ar sabiedrisko, tas izklausās pēc tipiskas pierīgas ar neeksistējošu vietējo infrastruktūru, lasi ar sabiedrisko no ķekavas uz salaspili jābrauc caur rīgu 
bet te ir powers un prātīgi cilvēki jau labu laiku vairs neapgrozās, iespējams, ka minētie cipari ir tikai braukšanas laiks. ja katru rītu jāsēž 35-45 minūtes auto, lai aizvestu bērnu uz bērnudārzu vai skolu, tad nevajag sabiedrisko, bet psihiatra konsultāciju. 50 minūtes mīties ar riteni vienā virzienā izklausās pēc katorgas, nevis new-age with a vintage feel dzīvesziņas[ Šo ziņu laboja martins_usars, 06 Jun 2024, 10:07:24 ] | | Offline | | |
| dsks | | 06. Jun 2024, 09:52 |
#5844
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|  Kopš: 12. Nov 2008
No: Liepāja
Ziņojumi: 1648
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06 Jun 2024, 09:38:53 @AigarsV rakstīja:
06 Jun 2024, 08:17:30 @davisTK rakstīja:
Nu es nezinu kam jānotiek, lai es pārsēstos uz sabiedrisko transportu. Lielisks piemērs Rīga, man ar bērnu braucot ar riteni uz dārziņu un tad uz darbu ir aptuveni 50min, braucot ar auto 35-45min, bet braucot ar sabiedrisko ir 1h20m - 1h40m. Un tagad, lai kāds man politiķis ieskaidro ka man japārsēžas uz sabiedrisko.
Es zinu, ka daudziem šādi, bet neizklausās pēc diezko prātīgas dzīvesvietas izvēles, kur tik daudz laika tiek pavadīts ceļā.
Nav jau nemaz tik daudz ... aptuveni divas nedēļas gada laikā tiek zaudētas korķos un ceļā pret liepājnieku, kur pie situācijas, kad darbs+privātīpašums ir `ap` pilsētas centru ... bērnudārzs, skola, darbs, veikals, ārsts, skaistumsalons ( nav mazsvarīgi poweram ), kino, teātris, sports, krogi, jūra, ezers ir sasniedzami 5-15min ar kājām un izvēloties da jebkuru citu transporta līdzekli, laiks līdz vajadzīgam punktam īsti nemainas | | Offline | | |
| Fandulis | | 06. Jun 2024, 10:52 |
#5845
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| Kopš: 29. Nov 2004
Ziņojumi: 13893
Braucu ar: sipisnīku pi vuškom
| Man kolēģis Liepājā dzīvo, kad satiekamies, viņam obligāti jāpasūdzās kā viņš noskrējies, skola, bērnudārzs, pulciņi, mājas, darbs un tie ceļa remonti. Es, protams, viņu uzklausu, bet galvā to visu sarēķinu, sanāk kādas 10-20 minūtes. [ Šo ziņu laboja Fandulis, 06 Jun 2024, 10:53:06 ] | | Offline | | |
| Samsasi | | 06. Jun 2024, 11:02 |
#5846
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|  Kopš: 01. Nov 2014
Ziņojumi: 5519
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| interesanti, tie "prātīgie" poweristi mainot darbu arī dzīvesvietu maina? | | Offline | | |
| davisTK | | 06. Jun 2024, 11:29 |
#5847
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|  Kopš: 29. Jul 2015
No: Rīga
Ziņojumi: 679
Braucu ar: melnu rumaku
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06 Jun 2024, 11:02:43 @Samsasi rakstīja:
interesanti, tie "prātīgie" poweristi mainot darbu arī dzīvesvietu maina?
Te jau visi pelna nestrādājot. Darbs turpat kur dzīvo. Vai arī 20 gadus strādā vienā vietā un dzīvo tur pat blakus | | Offline | | |
| Samsasi | | 06. Jun 2024, 11:38 |
#5848
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| Kopš: 01. Nov 2014
Ziņojumi: 5519
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| bum_bumz | | 06. Jun 2024, 12:19 |
#5849
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| Kopš: 05. Jan 2006
Ziņojumi: 7438
Braucu ar: E34
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06 Jun 2024, 08:17:30 @davisTK rakstīja:
Nu es nezinu kam jānotiek, lai es pārsēstos uz sabiedrisko transportu. Lielisks piemērs Rīga, man ar bērnu braucot ar riteni uz dārziņu un tad uz darbu ir aptuveni 50min, braucot ar auto 35-45min, bet braucot ar sabiedrisko ir 1h20m - 1h40m. Un tagad, lai kāds man politiķis ieskaidro ka man japārsēžas uz sabiedrisko.
Vieta tāda, kāda nu ir. Tādā attālumā ērtākais būtu vilciena satiksme.
Var strādāt Rīgā un braukt no Siguldas, Jelgavas, Lielvārdes... Kādā ellē sakarā bērns kautkur jāved. Pēc teksta tā sanāk 
Pārējo jau pateica
P.S. Velo ir ok. Mans funktieris bija vērsts uz to, lai braukt ar sabiedrisko tev būtu ekonomiski labāk un pilsētai tīrāk 
Tas, ko īsfilmiņā Joksts parādīja un pateica, bija jābūt Rīgā vismaz 20 gadi atpakaļ. Bet laikam jau ātrāk sanāks ieviest lidojošo satiksmi nekā sauszemes | | Offline | | |
| Mizx | | 06. Jun 2024, 20:35 |
#5850
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|  Kopš: 26. Apr 2004
No: Rīga
Ziņojumi: 7485
Braucu ar:
| 30 min ir pilnīgi parasts laiks rīta sastrēguma pīķī ar auto tikt pāri Daugavai uz centru. Ja vēl jāpabrauc kaut kur mazliet tālāk no krasta, tad tās 45 minūtes sanāk. Nevajag nemaz šķērsot Rīgas robežu. | | Offline | | |
| kkas | | 06. Jun 2024, 21:16 |
#5851
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|  Kopš: 22. Apr 2008
Ziņojumi: 10199
Braucu ar: Alfu
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05 Jun 2024, 21:18:18 @40 rakstīja:
Trešai joslai un citiem Ev faniem.... darbā ir 2 Volvo Ev vilcēji,maksā ~3x vairāk par parasto vilcēju, ar uzlādi pietiek ~300-350km atkarībā no ceļa reljefa un kravas. Tagad jautājums vai tas auto izdara 3x vairāk darba tajā pašā laika nogrieznī, lai sevi atpelnītu vai jūs kā klienti esat gatavi maksāt pārvadātājam n reizes vairāk, lai nosegtu Ev vilcēja izmaksas? Mūsu kantorim viņi ir iejūgti pie bio paikas ražotāja, izejvielu pārvadāšanā, kur bez stresa izmaksas tiek uzkrautas uz gala pircēju.( tas fāterlandē, ja nu kas) rezumē Ev komerctransports ir skaisti priekš soc.tīkliem utt ķipa baigi domājam par vidi, tik iepriekš vajag atrast brīvprātīgos klientus, kas to visu ir gatavi apmaksāt... bija paredzēts arī ūdeņraža smagais, bet dēļ izmaksām, kuras vēl pāris reizes lielākas, to projektu atcēla, pat biezajiem bio ražotājiem nebija paceļams.
Nebūs pieprasījuma, nebūs progresa. Izmēģinam vienu, otru, attīstam, kko atmetam. Bet var jau meklēt konspiroloģiju. EV kā reiz noliek nah visas teorijas, jo onkuļi nikuja nevar sarunāt, beigās tāpat patērētāji nosaka būt vai nebūt EV. Šoreiz šādā veidolā masai nebūt | | Offline | | |
| Karavs | | 06. Jun 2024, 21:36 |
#5852
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| Kopš: 05. Apr 2019
Ziņojumi: 811
Braucu ar:
| Pāreja no viena veida uz citu, realitātē ir finansiāli iespaidīga, nepanemsama....loģiski, ka tā . Uztaisīt šādu vai tādu auto globāli nav problēma, bet pieskaņot apkalpošanas tīklu ir 10x grūtāk. Es šokā, ka Teslai izdevās afist autobūvi 20g laikā. Neviens ģēnijs tam neticēja 20-15-10 gadi atpakaļ, bet viņi spēja, vai ne  Es gan neapgalvoju, ka tā ir nākones virzība, nē....arī ūdeņradis vai kautkas cits , vai pat petroleja jaunās zinātnēs varizvirzīties | | Offline | | |
| SandFish | | 06. Jun 2024, 21:36 |
#5853
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| Kopš: 26. Feb 2010
Ziņojumi: 58
Braucu ar: xD
| Negribu novirzīties no tēmas, bet nu tomēr - vai kādam ir pieredze VW ID7 ikdienas lietošanā?
Ir kādi būtiski mīnusi tieši šīs markas/modeļa EV? | | Offline | | |
| Lafter | | 06. Jun 2024, 21:49 |
#5854
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| Kopš: 23. Sep 2007
Ziņojumi: 28686
Braucu ar: wv
| Tāds palags uzpeldēja tagad- tieši tēmā.
Electric Cars Are Suddenly Becoming Affordable
More efficient manufacturing, falling battery costs and intense competition are lowering sticker prices for battery-powered models to within striking distance of gasoline cars.
Alex Lawrence, a dealer in Salt Lake City who specializes in used electric cars, has seen a change over the last year in the kinds of customers who are coming into his showroom. They used to be well-heeled professionals who could drop $70,000 on a Rivian luxury pickup truck.
Recently, Mr. Lawrence said, customers have been snapping up used Teslas for a little over $20,000, after applying a $4,000 federal tax credit.
“We’re seeing younger people,” Mr. Lawrence said. “We are seeing more blue-collar and entry-level white-collar people. The purchase price of the car has suddenly become in reach.”
Regarded by conservative politicians and other critics as playthings of the liberal elite, electric vehicles are fast becoming more accessible. Prices are falling because of increased competition, lower raw-material costs and more efficient manufacturing. Federal tax credits of up to $7,500 for new electric cars, often augmented by thousands of dollars in state incentives, push prices even lower. At the same time, technology is improving quickly and making electric vehicles more practical. Cars that can travel more than 300 miles on a fully charged battery are becoming common, and charging times are dropping below 30 minutes. The number of fast chargers, which can top up a battery in less than half an hour, grew 36 percent from April 2023 to April 2024.
Carmakers including Tesla, Ford, General Motors and Stellantis, the owner of Jeep, have announced plans for electric vehicles that would sell new for as little as $25,000.
“The E.V. market has hit an inflection point,” said Randy Parker, chief executive of Hyundai Motor America, which will begin producing electric vehicles at a factory in Georgia by the end of the year. “The early adopters have come. They’ve got their cars. Now you’re starting to see us transition to a mass market.”
All this is good news for proponents of electric vehicles and the Biden administration, which is aiming for half of new cars sold to be electric by 2030 as part of the president’s plan to combat climate change. Even if Republicans gain control of the White House and Congress and follow through on promises to dismantle electric vehicle subsidies, they may not be able to undo the market forces pushing down prices. “There may be some hiccups in the exact pace and scale of E.V. sales if there are major policy changes, but I wouldn’t expect the E.V. market to flatline,” said Peter Slowik, who leads research on passenger cars at the International Council on Clean Transportation, a research organization. “Most automakers are committed to an all-electric future, and many are planning on a timeline that goes far beyond the next administration.”
Electric cars, sales of which have slowed in recent months, are still more expensive than gasoline models, costing an average of $55,252 in the United States in April, according to estimates by Kelley Blue Book. That is a decline of 9 percent from April 2023, but still about $6,700 more than the average for all vehicles.
But Mr. Slowik’s group estimates that cars and sport-utility vehicles capable of traveling 400 miles on a full battery will cost less than cars with internal combustion engines in 2030, even before taking into account government subsidies. (Pickup trucks, which require bigger batteries, will take a little longer, not reaching parity for 400-mile models until 2033.)
Those calculations do not take into account lower fuel and maintenance costs that strengthen the financial argument for electric vehicles. Electricity is almost always cheaper per mile than gasoline, and battery-powered vehicles don’t need oil changes, engine air filters or spark plugs. For people who drive a lot, electric cars may already be a better deal. At the same time, some automakers are offering strong discounts on E.V. models as an enticement for buyers. While prices are clearly trending downward, there are risks. China supplies more than half of the lithium-ion batteries used in cars sold in the United States, according to Interact Analysis, a research firm. Those batteries will become more expensive because the Biden administration announced in May that it would raise tariffs on them to 25 percent from 7.5 percent.
Many companies are building battery factories in the United States and Canada, but most of these won’t produce enough batteries to replace China for several years.
Raw materials are another risk. The price of lithium and other materials required for batteries has plunged in the last 12 months, making electric cars cheaper. But commodity prices could soar again.
The recent slowdown in the growth of electric car sales has prompted Tesla, Ford and others to delay plans to expand manufacturing. But many analysts expect sales to pick up as a glut of models pushes down prices, and as the charging network grows. High prices and the fear of not being able to find a place to recharge are the two biggest reasons people hesitate to buy an electric vehicle, surveys show. For many people, the car’s price is not the only expense to consider. People who live in apartments often depend on public charging plugs. Public charging, besides being less convenient, tends to be more costly than charging at home. Still, the forces pushing prices down are powerful. Manufacturing costs are dropping as traditional carmakers, who were slow to sell electric vehicles, start to apply their decades of experience with mass production to the new technology.
Later this year, for example, General Motors will begin selling an electric version of its Chevrolet Equinox sport-utility vehicle that will have a range of more than 300 miles and sell for less than $30,000 after the $7,500 federal tax credit. And the company plans to sell an even cheaper car, a new Chevrolet Bolt, next year. The Equinox and Bolt will be built on G.M.’s Ultium platform, a collection of components that can be used for a variety of vehicles including pickups and luxury Cadillacs. G.M., which has cut costs by using the same batteries and parts for different models, has said its electric vehicles will become profitable in the second half of this year.
Electric cars still cost more to manufacture than cars with internal combustion engines, said Prateek Biswas, an analyst at Wood Mackenzie, a research firm. But costs will come down as companies learn how to produce the cars more efficiently, Mr. Biswas said — for example, by eliminating rare minerals from electric motors or replacing copper wiring with aluminum.
At the same time, the cost to make a gasoline car is rising because of stricter emissions regulations. “At some point it will be easier to just move toward E.V.s,” Mr. Biswas said.
Competition is also intensifying. Toyota and other Japanese carmakers with a reputation for delivering reliable and affordable vehicles are belatedly offering electric vehicles. Honda plans to begin producing them at an Ohio factory next year.
There will be more than 100 fully electric models for sale in the United States by next year, according to Cars.com, an online sales platform, double the number available last year. “We’re at the point now where anybody that wants an E.V. for a price point can actually get an E.V.,” said Rebecca Lindland, senior director of industry data at Cars Commerce, which operates Cars.com.
Used car prices are arguably more important than prices of new cars. Most people buy used cars. A vibrant used market vastly increases the number of people who can consider an electric vehicle.
Models from Tesla, Nissan or G.M. have been on the road for three years or more, generating inventory for dealers as the original owners buy new ones. More than half of the used electric vehicles on the market sell for less than $30,000, according to Recurrent, a research firm that focuses on the used E.V. market.
Jesse Lore, owner of Green Wave Electric Vehicles in North Hampton, N.H., recently sold a used Chevy Bolt for $15,000. After applying a federal tax credit for used electric vehicles, the price was $11,000. Besides the lure of affordable prices, he noted, his customers like that electric vehicles are quieter than gasoline models, better for the environment, and faster because an electric motor generates instant torque.
“The car is more fun than whatever they’re driving now,” Mr. Lore said.
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| XK220 | | 06. Jun 2024, 22:26 |
#5855
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| Kopš: 26. Dec 2015
No: Rīga
Ziņojumi: 3292
Braucu ar: Sarkanu, baltu un melnu
| Tagad arī e-corsa par 20k ar atbalstu. Sviestmaize. | | Offline | | |
| martins_usars | | 06. Jun 2024, 22:30 |
#5856
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| Kopš: 01. May 2023
Ziņojumi: 1452
Braucu ar: skatuve viens!
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valsts atbalsts 16400 eiro apmērā  neslikts dīls | | Offline | | |
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| XK220 | | 06. Jun 2024, 22:36 |
#5857
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| Kopš: 26. Dec 2015
No: Rīga
Ziņojumi: 3292
Braucu ar: Sarkanu, baltu un melnu
| https://www.opelakcija.lv/lv/models/11 | | Offline | | |
| martins_usars | | 06. Jun 2024, 22:39 |
#5858
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| Kopš: 01. May 2023
Ziņojumi: 1452
Braucu ar: skatuve viens!
| ok, tas ir arguments  20k par jaunu auto, un ev, ir tiešām laba cena. pat ja 5 gadu laikā akumulators ir degradējies līdz 50km ziemā, gan jau pa kādi 10 tūkstoši varēs pārdot. | | Offline | | |
| XK220 | | 06. Jun 2024, 22:41 |
#5859
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| Kopš: 26. Dec 2015
No: Rīga
Ziņojumi: 3292
Braucu ar: Sarkanu, baltu un melnu
| Opelim akumulators degradējas uz otru pusi, pēc 5 gadiem varēs apbraukt apkārt pasaulei  | | Offline | | |
| barney | | 07. Jun 2024, 08:41 |
#5860
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|  Kopš: 20. Oct 2011
No: Rīga
Ziņojumi: 524
Braucu ar: i3 & Subaru
| Man īsti nav saprotama ņemšanās ap degradācijas jautājumu. Man e-golfam tikko apgriezās 100k km. Tas auto katru dienu tiek lādēts līdz 100% un regulāri tiek izbraukts gandrīz tukšs. Es pagaidām nekādas degradācijas pazīmes nenovēroju..
Ātrajās uzlādēs gan tas auto iebrauc varbūt 1-2 reizes mēnesī max. | | Offline | | |
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