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Mikuzz  | | 17. May 2022, 14:49 |
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 Kopš: 19. Aug 2005
No: Rīga
Ziņojumi: 41383
Braucu ar: Transporta līdzekli
| Arī meta pie rakomendācijām,jāpaskatās.
Čuguna čaulas alu blokā ir jāmāk pareizi ielikt  |
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| SpOrcMeN | | 17. May 2022, 16:16 |
#9462
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 Kopš: 14. May 2002
Ziņojumi: 34090
Braucu ar: banderautomobili
| ja interese tad tas tirlinsh rekur visiem megina veljoprojam pieradit ka bloki esot vienadi bet vinj usuta naher visi  ))
Sreten Milisavljevic
I don't know why my comment was deleted, but I'll write it again. You are WRONG!
Part numbers play 0 role here and I even said that in the video.
N62B44 and Alpina H1 block are 100% identical. Same bore size 92 mm, same stroke 82.7, same material Alusil, same oil channels, same holes, same stamps except that H1 has BMW engine number scraped off and stamped H1 in its place. Yesterday I washed N62B44 block and no difference in oil channels or anything else compared to H1. You have a whole freaking video showing you that they are the same and that we measured. We didn't guess like you.
I have both blocks next to each other, prove it or tell me how they are different and I will measure and take pictures. You can't because you never opened either of these engines.
H1 is "custom alloy"? I'm sorry, but wtf is even that? Alpina invented new bore material for Alu engines? That's hilarious my friend.
The ridiculous long block price that some dealer in the US gave you is pointless. I can take a screenshot of the email with Alpina where they quoted me 5.021 euros for the block and +/- 3.000 euros for the pistons. So no, the long block cannot be 60k.
Cylinder heads are exactly the same. Again, I have them next to each other and both heads have the same BMW camshafts and Valvetronic stuff. They were not modified by Alpina and different part numbers don't mean shit.
CCV same, different piping on Alpina as it goes to the supercharger instead of the intake. That's called a modification.
Bank 2 timing cover modified to accommodate the supercharger, otherwise use the same gasket.
The vibration damper is identical, I just compared them. Alpina has an additional crank pulley for the supercharger.
Head gaskets are SAME! This here shows how much you have no idea what you are talking about. The Head gasket has nothing to do with compression on H1 engine, pistons do! Both N62 and H1 gaskets are the same 0.75 mm thickness, even say so in Realoem. Different part numbers but exact same gasket, where Alpina is simply upping the price. H1 doesn't have different coolant passages or anything like that which would require a different head gasket.
Crude way of putting it, but yes guys like you. You clearly never opened or assembled H1 engine yourself, otherwise you'd realize what you are writing doesn't hold up and you are blindly believing Alpina and what someone told you.
The block is not a different cast! Again, I have both blocks here, happy to measure or take pictures of anything you claim is different about them.
I'll say it again, the only things different are the crankshaft, pistons, connecting rods (Alpina has same rods as N62B4 and bank 2 timing cover. Everything else is exactly the same.
I'll repeat, Alpina is a tuner, not a manufacturer like BMW. Designing or redesigning a block can cost millions and in what world would that make sense for Alpina and their couple of thousand cars that they modified?
Alpina couldn't bother to redesign the steering wheel for E65 B7 and instead used a shitty, ugly E60 B5 steering wheel in B7, and yet they are gonna go and redesign a block with "custom alloy"?
I respect you Steffen as a member of BMW community, but you are wrong here. If you have any proof to back up your claims, please share them with us and I'll be the first to apologize if I'm wrong. Both blocks are here and we can compare and measure for as long as you want.
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| RR04 | | 17. May 2022, 16:26 |
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Ziņojumi: 3982
Braucu ar: 41
| nu bet a naher sūta viņu? Jo nu es vairāk ticu fujakam, kas ir abus dzinējus izārdījis un nolicis blakus.
Un nav jau nemaz tik neticams stāsts, ka alpina izmanto to pašu bloku |
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| SpOrcMeN | | 17. May 2022, 16:31 |
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Kopš: 14. May 2002
Ziņojumi: 34090
Braucu ar: banderautomobili
| te vel , chalis veinkarshi nerubi kas ir ALPINA, bet real istreso un pareji turpina vinju trolljot , man tas patika reali )
Daniel Jackson
So only difference on the bare block then is that it was stamped with a different number and cast to a different spec? All other aspects seem identical, meaning you could use a bmw block and bolt on all the Alpina parts.
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Steffen Staiger
like I said you might be able to, but they are different. You could also put a Spoon engine with T66 turbos, NOS, and a Motec system exhaust in it but then it would not be correct.
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Piotr Winciorek
Steffen Staiger there’s a video on YT from m539 Restoration about this subject. He claims somewhat otherwise. Have a look.
https://youtu.be/TrBLgmGdVVM
How Can We Fix the Troublesome Alpina B7? - Project Chicago: Part 9
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How Can We Fix the Troublesome Alpina B7? - Project Chicago: Part 9
How Can We Fix the Troublesome Alpina B7? - Project Chicago: Part 9
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Steffen Staiger
or, you can actually look up what ALPINA has to say about it, much more reliable to hear it from the manufacturer, than a rebuilder. Not knocking M539’s work, but I would rather rely on ALPINA info.
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Sreten Milisavljevic
Steffen Staiger please stop it man, I respect you but you keep writing wrong and misleading information
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Steffen Staiger
how is actually answering your concerns with actual part numbers that can be looked up by anyone, be “misleading”??
I understand that there are shortcuts you CAN take (maybe because you cannot afford the original part) that may work, but to claim that … See more
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Sreten Milisavljevic
Steffen Staiger I don't care what would you do with some other car, it doesn't bear any relevance. These are not shortcuts but facts which I proved as clear as day and you didn't. Disagree, that's fine, you are still incorrect with your claims.
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ІБАШТЕ!!!!! ЗА УКРАЇНУ!!!!!!!
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| SpOrcMeN | | 17. May 2022, 16:35 |
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Kopš: 14. May 2002
Ziņojumi: 34090
Braucu ar: banderautomobili
| te ja uvairs neiet runa par tiem blokiem , bet par to ka pizhonis kaut kads no Imantas garazhu kompleksa a chiganu izcelsmi , megina nolikt vacieshu razhotaju ALPINA, par ko vaciesh itev dibenu saraus kamer vel nesaksi runat. Un ar putam uz lupap stasta ka ne es esmu gudraks es pa leto uzbuveshu ALPINU, a vinja mmegina paskaidrot ka nesuda vinsh neuzubuves. ALPINA ir cita filozofija , cilvek ika labu vinu izbauda to k ocits vacietis ir tev uzbuvejis , nevis pis pratu vacietim par to kapec vins hto ta vai shita ir izdarijis un ka vish zin labak ))
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ІБАШТЕ!!!!! ЗА УКРАЇНУ!!!!!!!
Нехай подохне суче плем’я!!!!
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Deivid  | | 17. May 2022, 16:41 |
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Ziņojumi: 40692
Braucu ar: E46 M3 / C5X
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17 May 2022, 16:26:44 @RR04 rakstīja:
nu bet a naher sūta viņu? Jo nu es vairāk ticu fujakam, kas ir abus dzinējus izārdījis un nolicis blakus.
Un nav jau nemaz tik neticams stāsts, ka alpina izmanto to pašu bloku
+1
Neko nezinu par konkrēto bloku, bet jebkurā ražošanā ir nepiešams optimizēt procesus un uzturet divus ļoti līdzīgus produktus ir ārkārtīgi dārgi. Tad tam Alpinas dzinējiem pret tiem apjomiem ir jāmaksā nevis 2x, bet 10x vairāk.
Uzticēties ražotājām? Atbildi tāpat sagatavos PR/Sales. Manā sfērā vairums mantu nāk no 3-4 rūpnīcām, bet katrs EU brends ar putām uz lūpām stāstīs par savu lielo rūpnīcu ķīnā. Kad iedzen stūrī, tad saka - ok, taisa tie, bet mums citas iekšas, kas mēdz būt, bet parasti tā ir tikai atmazka un mantas identiskas.
Jebkurā gādijumā paldies par linku, būs ko paskatīties |
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| SpOrcMeN | | 17. May 2022, 16:41 |
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Kopš: 14. May 2002
Ziņojumi: 34090
Braucu ar: banderautomobili
| a man iesverts bans ir feisite, es nevaru komentet. ta tas chiganens dabutu iekshas - vispar noraudatos un izdzestu savu kanalu ne tik cik tas video - interesantakas ir tas diskusijas gan ALPINA, gan e65 grupas , kaut gan man liekas, ka ALPINA grupa vinsh ta neblato, jau saprata, ka tur vinju naher atri pasutis, ar visu vinja shkjuningu ))
[ Šo ziņu laboja SpOrcMeN, 17 May 2022, 17:08:07 ]
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ІБАШТЕ!!!!! ЗА УКРАЇНУ!!!!!!!
Нехай подохне суче плем’я!!!!
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| Destructo | | 17. May 2022, 16:56 |
#9468
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Ziņojumi: 478
Braucu ar: B O R S C H E
| Jebal, kādam ir vārdnīca, lai šito pārtulkotu? |
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| Deivid | | 17. May 2022, 17:01 |
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Kopš: 02. Mar 2004
Ziņojumi: 40692
Braucu ar: E46 M3 / C5X
| Te ir darbs Tune-L |
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| Mikuzz | | 17. May 2022, 17:40 |
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Kopš: 19. Aug 2005
No: Rīga
Ziņojumi: 41383
Braucu ar: Transporta līdzekli
| A par ko cepiens,alpina tak uzlabo,nevis ražo dzinējus vai auto  |
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| cmax | | 17. May 2022, 17:50 |
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Kopš: 03. Jan 2013
Ziņojumi: 1165
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17 May 2022, 17:40:32 @Mikuzz rakstīja:
A par ko cepiens,alpina tak uzlabo,nevis ražo dzinējus vai auto
Par to ka Alpinisti iedomājušies ka viņu pepelacus no nulles ražo uz atsevišķa konveijera no atlasītākajām detaļām un galvenais, skrūvētājiem ir pilnīgi cita filozofija par auto. A te, smērmiķelis no jūesei saka ka viņiem sūds spīdīgā papīrītī ietirgots.[ Šo ziņu laboja cmax, 17 May 2022, 17:51:18 ] |
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| Kalnz | | 17. May 2022, 17:51 |
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Kopš: 03. May 2007
No: Rīga
Ziņojumi: 14362
Braucu ar:
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| RR04 | | 17. May 2022, 19:42 |
#9473
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Kopš: 15. Nov 2016
Ziņojumi: 3982
Braucu ar: 41
| Tak tai alpinai galvenais bij uzmest to fēnu virsū, kompresiju pielabot, reperu diski un ķekavas stiklšķiedru uzmest. Vispàr nekāda pārsteiguma, ka bloks ir vienāds ar oem  |
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| Harcix | | 17. May 2022, 20:15 |
#9474
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 Kopš: 16. May 2002
No: Valmiera
Ziņojumi: 7823
Braucu ar: V10
| To tualetes atsvaidzinātāju arī izrādījās ražoja Bref rūpnīcā.
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| crime | | 17. May 2022, 22:31 |
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No: Rīga
Ziņojumi: 8994
Braucu ar: m635csi
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17 May 2022, 20:15:35 @Harcix rakstīja:
To tualetes atsvaidzinātāju arī izrādījās ražoja Bref rūpnīcā.
true story |
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| SpOrcMeN | | 18. May 2022, 09:29 |
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Kopš: 14. May 2002
Ziņojumi: 34090
Braucu ar: banderautomobili
| ja es jau zinaju ka ta bus
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ІБАШТЕ!!!!! ЗА УКРАЇНУ!!!!!!!
Нехай подохне суче плем’я!!!!
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| GirtzB | | 18. May 2022, 10:26 |
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 Kopš: 15. May 2002
No: Rīga
Ziņojumi: 22390
Braucu ar: 2x(R6+LSD)
| Pag cepiens ir par to ka "Alpina" fani netic "bildei". Alpina taču nekad nav slēpusi faktu, ka lieto BMW konveijera detaļas tikai "savās" kombinācijās un šo to papildina + parasti strādā ar paaudzi vecāku dzinēju vai pirms "facelift" versiju. Reizēm ir atgriezeniskā saite un BMW sērijā liek Alpinas kombināciju(e53 4.6is un 4.8is tā sākās).
visinteresantāk varētu būt papētīt atšķirības starp e36 B3 3.0 un e36 M3 S50B30US...
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Tikai R6, S54B32 + 2JZ-GE |
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| RR04 | | 18. May 2022, 10:33 |
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Kopš: 15. Nov 2016
Ziņojumi: 3982
Braucu ar: 41
| gaidām kad sporc iemetīs atšķirības starp stock un alpinas blokiem |
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| propans-butans | | 18. May 2022, 11:54 |
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Ziņojumi: 77
Braucu ar: nereģistrētu gāzes iekārtu
| Ar to mudaku vienreiz youtubā strīdējos.
Šis video stāsta ka viņam ir OEM detaļa bet velk ārā no bosch kastes. Izvērtās diskusija par to kas ir un kas nav OEM, tad es prasu vai tie cilvēki kas pērk oriģināldetaļu no dīlera nevis no bosch/beru/hella ,vai kas arī viņu piegādā, ir lohi? Viņš uzskata ka ir. Izdariet secinājumus paši. |
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| cmax | | 18. May 2022, 13:24 |
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Ziņojumi: 1165
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18 May 2022, 11:54:39 @propans-butans rakstīja:
Ar to mudaku vienreiz youtubā strīdējos.
Šis video stāsta ka viņam ir OEM detaļa bet velk ārā no bosch kastes. Izvērtās diskusija par to kas ir un kas nav OEM, tad es prasu vai tie cilvēki kas pērk oriģināldetaļu no dīlera nevis no bosch/beru/hella ,vai kas arī viņu piegādā, ir lohi? Viņš uzskata ka ir. Izdariet secinājumus paši.
Tak Kaspich jau izveica pētijumu par to ka NGK svece BMW kastītē nav tas pats kas NGK kastītē kaut pēc kataloga skaitās tas pats produkts.
Protams, šo īstt nevarēs atiecināt uz visu un vienmēr, kā arī grūti veikt viennozīmīgus secinājumus dēļ viltojumiem. |
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