Tēma: Reliģiskiem, rasu un filozofiskiem disputiem v3.5

15. Oct 2009, 11:18

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stāsts nav par labāka/sliktāka, jo neko no apraxtītā nevar nedz aptaustīt, nedz pagaršot. un praktiski vienmēr, mācība apraxta to, kas cilvēkus sagaida pēc...

stāsts ir - patiesa vai viltus. un stāsts ir par to, kādiem mērķiem cilvēki ticību izmanto. kā mācību, kā dzīves un uzvedības modeli, kā motivāciju, kā pamatu sabiedrības pakļaušanai.

[ Šo ziņu laboja Yanny, 15 Oct 2009, 11:24:15 ]

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15. Oct 2009, 11:21

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Progressive discovery of the problem

The issue of sexual abuse by Catholic priests rose to national attention in 1985 when Gilbert Gauthe plead guilty to 11 counts of molestation of boys. In the 1990s, the issue was again brought to the national attention when a number of books on the topic were published.[1] However, it was not until early 2002 that the Boston Globe coverage of a series of criminal prosecutions of five Roman Catholic priests thrust the issue of sexual abuse of minors by Catholic priests into the national limelight on an ongoing basis.[2][3][4][5][6][7][8][9] The coverage of these cases encouraged other victims to come forward with their allegations of abuse resulting in more lawsuits and criminal cases.[10]

Ultimately, it became clear that, over several decades in the 20th century, some priests and lay members of religious orders in the Catholic Church had sexually abused minors (those under 1

on a scale such that the accusations eventually reached into the thousands. Although the majority of cases were reported to have occurred in the United States, victims have come forward in other nations such as Ireland, Canada and Australia. A major aggravating factor was the actions of Catholic bishops in responding to allegations of clerical abuse. It was revealed that some bishops had facilitated compensation payments to alleged victims on condition that the allegations remained secret. In addition, rather than being dismissed, the accused were often instructed to undergo psychological counseling and, on completion of counseling, reassigned to other parishes where, in some cases, they continued to abuse minors.

In response to these allegations, both ecclesiastical and civil authorities have implemented procedures to prevent sexual abuse of minors by clergy and to report and punish it if and when it occurs.
[edit] Awareness of the problem

Some date the current sexual abuse scandal to an article published in the National Catholic Reporter in 1985.[11] After that, the scandal remained at the fringes of public attention but did not become a focus of national attention until the mid-1990s when a number of books were published on the topic. [1] The topic became a the focus of intense scrutiny and debate after the Boston Globe published a series of articles covering cases of sexual abuse.
[edit] Global extent

[note 1] Although allegations of clergy sexual abuse have surfaced in several countries around the world, there have been no comprehensive studies which compare the relative incidence of sexual abuse in different areas. However, there is a general perception that the issue has been most prominent in the United States, and then in Australia, Canada and Ireland.[12]
[edit] Number of allegations

The number of alleged abuses increased in the 1960s, peaked in the 1970s, declined in the 1980s and by the 1990s had returned to the levels of the 1950s.[13]

Of the 11,000 allegations reported by bishops in the John Jay study, 3300 were not investigated because the allegations were made after the accused priest had died. 6700 allegations were substantiated, leaving 1000 which could not be substantiated.

According to the John Jay report, one-third of the accusations were made in the years 2002-3. Another third of the allegations were reported between 1993 and 2001.[13]
[edit] Profile of the victims

An overwhelming majority of the victims, 81 percent, were males. A majority of the victims were post-pubescent adolescents with a small percentage of the priests accused of abusing children who had not reached puberty.[14]

The John Jay Report determined that just under 6% of victims were 7 years of age or younger. 16% of the victims were between age 8 and age 10.[13]

Some sources have asserted that most of the victims were between the ages of 16 and 17, making the sexual abuse instances of hebephilia rather than pedophilia. These sources argue that, by failing to make this distinction, the media has fostered a misconception of the problem. The vast majority of the victims (78%) were between age 11 and age 17. Only 15 percent of the victims were 16 to 17 years of age; 51 percent were between the ages of 11 and 14.[13]
[edit] Profile of the abusers

Half the priests were 35 years of age or younger at the time of the first instance of alleged abuse. Fewer than 7 percent of the priests were reported to have experienced physical, sexual or emotional abuse as children. Although 19 percent of the accused priests had alcohol or substance abuse problems, only 9 percent used drugs or alcohol during the alleged instances of abuse. Almost 70 percent of the abusive priests were ordained before 1970, after attending pre-Vatican II seminaries or seminaries that had had little time to adapt to the reforms of Vatican II.[13]

Of the priests who were accused of sexual abuse, 59% were accused of a single allegation. 41% of the priests were the subject of more than one allegation. Just under 3% of the priests were the subject of ten or more allegations. The 149 priests who had more than 10 allegations against them accounted for 2,960 of the total number of allegations.[13]
[edit] Response of the Church

The Catholic Church responded to the scandal at three levels: the diocesan level, the episcopal conference level and the Vatican. Responses to the scandal proceeded at all three levels in parallel with the higher levels becoming progressively more involved as the gravity of the problem became more apparent.

Before the Boston Globe coverage of the sexual abuse scandal in the Boston archdiocese, handling of sexual abuse allegations was largely left up to the discretion of individual bishops. After the number of allegations exploded following the Globe's series of articles, U.S. bishops felt compelled to formulate a coordinated response at the episcopal conference level.

Although the Vatican did not respond immediately to the series of articles published by the Boston Globe in 2002, it has been reported that Vatican officials were, in fact, monitoring the situation in the U.S. closely.[15] Over time, it became more apparent that the problem warranted greater Vatican involvement.Approximately 80% of the priests involved in sexual abuse of minors were located in the United States.(4,392 priests, as Church's estimate that no more than 5000 priests worldwide)

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15. Oct 2009, 11:23

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un ko ? aizliegt Bībeli un kristietību, jo katoļu mācītāji piekopj pedofīliju ? visi ? tas ir iekļauts Kristus mācībā - gulēt ar zēniem?

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15. Oct 2009, 11:24

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katram ir sava taisnība, un vienīgā objektīvā taisnība ir šis secinājums.

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15. Oct 2009, 11:28

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14 Oct 2009, 17:56:05 Taspac rakstīja:
Reliģia un ticība Dievam arī manā izpratnē ir ne gluži divas dažādas lietas, bet vismaz pietiekoši atšķirīgas, lai ar vienu no tām varētu manipulēt ar cilvēkiem.

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Esmu katolis, bet ir lietas, kas no religjijas skjiet vienkaarshi nepienjemamas.

Par augstaakajiem speekiem- tie noteikti ir. Kaut vai pienjeemumaa par lielo spraadzienu. Kas to izraisiija? fizikjis, kjiimikjis atbildees, ka vielu reakcija.
Bet kas ir tas, kas noteica to lietu kaartiibu un to buutiibu, kam un kaa ir jaareagjee, lai tas notiktu?

Visticamaakais, ka peec gadiem 500 fizikas atklaajumi buus jau daudz augstaakaa liimenii un spees izskaidrot vairaak lietu kaa tagad, vispaar cilveeki domaas citaas kategorijaas, kaadaas domaajam pashlaik mees, tachu uzskatu, ka veel joprojaam buus speekaa vecaa labaa dziives patiesiiba, ka jo vairaak zini, jo vairaak saproti, ka vispaar neko nezini

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15. Oct 2009, 11:29

#208

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Tu esi katolis un jautā , kas noteica lietu kārtību un lietu sākumu?

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15. Oct 2009, 11:30

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Semja nje bez u...dov. - tas par tiem iepriekšminētajiem izvirtušajiem eksemplāriem.

Man kā liberālisma atbalstītājam ir pieņemama jebkura ticība/reliģija tiktāl cik tā nav ar radikāliem uzstādījumiem.

Cik noprotu, iepriekš te baigie starpreliģiju minikrustakariņi notikuši, ka visi tādi uzvilkti?

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15. Oct 2009, 11:32

#210

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15 Oct 2009, 11:29:35 Yanny rakstīja:
Tu esi katolis un jautā , kas noteica lietu kārtību un lietu sākumu?

nope. Es uzevu pretjautaajumu par viedokli, ka nekaa augstaaka nav, ir tikai religjija un taas manipuleeshana ar cilveekiem.

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15. Oct 2009, 11:32

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15 Oct 2009, 11:23:41 Yanny rakstīja:
un ko ? aizliegt Bībeli un kristietību, jo katoļu mācītāji piekopj pedofīliju ? visi ? tas ir iekļauts Kristus mācībā - gulēt ar zēniem?

Aizliegt navajag neko,katram pašam sava taisnība. Bet saviem bērniem es tomēr mācīšu,ka kristietība ir kaut kas slikts,jo negribu piedzīvot,ka mani dēli saskaras ar kādu "maigo" mācītāju.
P.S Un tas ir tikai mans viedoklis,ko nemēģinu uzspiest kādam citam

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15. Oct 2009, 11:35

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tātad, Dzvile, kristietība ir kaut kas slikt, jo šīs mācīobas mācītāji ir geji/pedofili ?

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15. Oct 2009, 11:39

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Nee,pati ticība ir tieši tāda,kā visas pārējās.
Bet man šķiet cilvēki paši ir to sabojājuši.
Bet kā jau teicu,tās ir tikai manas domas.
Apmēram tā. Viens vīrs baznīcā jautā mācītājam,vai viņš varot runāt ar dievu? Mācītājs atbild,ka nē,dieva baznīcā nav,ir tikai mācība par dievu.

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15. Oct 2009, 11:41

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15 Oct 2009, 11:32:10 Dzvile rakstīja:

15 Oct 2009, 11:23:41 Yanny rakstīja:
un ko ? aizliegt Bībeli un kristietību, jo katoļu mācītāji piekopj pedofīliju ? visi ? tas ir iekļauts Kristus mācībā - gulēt ar zēniem?

Aizliegt navajag neko,katram pašam sava taisnība. Bet saviem bērniem es tomēr mācīšu,ka kristietība ir kaut kas slikts,jo negribu piedzīvot,ka mani dēli saskaras ar kādu "maigo" mācītāju.
P.S Un tas ir tikai mans viedoklis,ko nemēģinu uzspiest kādam citam

kas Tev liek beernus suutiit uz bazniicu uz Dievkalpojumiem (nezinu,kaa pareizi- ar lielo vai mazo burtu

), kur vinji neesaas visu atribuutiku utt? Jeb Tu to iedomaajies, ka liidz ko beerns ienaak bazniicaa, taa samaitaats bazniickungs vinju atrauj no vecaakiem un aiziet vinjus, atvainojos, dupseet?

No taa, ka beerns tiks iepaziistinaats ar religjijas eetikas normaam, tiem pashiem baushljiem, vinjam gabals atkritiis?

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15. Oct 2009, 11:42

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15 Oct 2009, 11:30:43 Didzis rakstīja:
Semja nje bez u...dov. - tas par tiem iepriekšminētajiem izvirtušajiem eksemplāriem.

Man kā liberālisma atbalstītājam ir pieņemama jebkura ticība/reliģija tiktāl cik tā nav ar radikāliem uzstādījumiem.]

Cik noprotu, iepriekš te baigie starpreliģiju minikrustakariņi notikuši, ka visi tādi uzvilkti?

Es atkal tā īsti nepieņemu nevienu ticību. Taču nekādā gadījumā nenosodu tos, kas pieņem. Katram pašam sava galva uz pleciem.

Kāpēc nepieņemu? Tāpēc, ka lai arī kāda ir bijusi tā doma sākumā, jebkura no ticībām uzspiež kaut ko. Un uzspiež principā bez iedziļināšanās kāpēc tieši tā ir. Tā ir tapēc ka bībelē vai korānā rakstīts? Un kurš to uzrakstīja? Tāds pats cilvēks kā mēs. Un ar ko viņš bija gudrāks par pārējiem?

Kā jau te n-tās reizes teikts - releģija ir kāda ambīciju sasniegšanai paredzēts instruments.

Kāpēc 2x2=4? Es patiesībā arī to nezinu. Man neviens nav izskaidrojis. Man tikai skolā teica ka tā ir un viss. Nu labi, lai jau ir.

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15. Oct 2009, 11:44

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15 Oct 2009, 11:41:42 EimZ rakstīja:

15 Oct 2009, 11:32:10 Dzvile rakstīja:

15 Oct 2009, 11:23:41 Yanny rakstīja:
un ko ? aizliegt Bībeli un kristietību, jo katoļu mācītāji piekopj pedofīliju ? visi ? tas ir iekļauts Kristus mācībā - gulēt ar zēniem?

Aizliegt navajag neko,katram pašam sava taisnība. Bet saviem bērniem es tomēr mācīšu,ka kristietība ir kaut kas slikts,jo negribu piedzīvot,ka mani dēli saskaras ar kādu "maigo" mācītāju.
P.S Un tas ir tikai mans viedoklis,ko nemēģinu uzspiest kādam citam

kas Tev liek beernus suutiit uz bazniicu uz Dievkalpojumiem (nezinu,kaa pareizi- ar lielo vai mazo burtu ), kur vinji neesaas visu atribuutiku utt? Jeb Tu to iedomaajies, ka liidz ko beerns ienaak bazniicaa, taa samaitaats bazniickungs vinju atrauj no vecaakiem un aiziet vinjus, atvainojos, dupseet?
No taa, ka beerns tiks iepaziistinaats ar bazniicas eetikas normaam, tiem pashiem baushljiem, vinjam gabals atkritiis?

Un kāda ir baznīcas ētikas norma?

Kā jau teicu,tas ir tikai mans viedoklis.Kapēc mēģini uzspiest savējo

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15. Oct 2009, 11:45

#217

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Ētikas normas

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15. Oct 2009, 11:48

#218

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es nemeegjinu uzspiest, es tikai jautaaju

es peec tam izlaboju. Ne bazniicas, bet gan religjijas.
Taas normas buutu- iesaakumam 10 Dieva baushlji.

Lai taalaak bezjeedziigi nejautaat un nerunaat- Tu esi vismaz izlasiijis, pat neiedziljinoties to pashu katehismu, vai kaa tas pareizi saucaas?

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